Saturday, November 22, 2014

A cool convo about aquaponic pond-liners

I have a pond question. I would like to incorporate an in ground pond as my fish tank. I currently have a 275 IBC setup but would like to expand to a larger in ground fish tank. Something in the neighborhood of 10'x6' by 4-3 ft deep. This would be about 1800-1350 gallons. My question is what is a suitable liner materiel (ie. rubber, poly)? What is the rule of thumb for grew bed size per gallon of water? Also, most pond builds i see on youtube use mortar to hold the rocks in place. Is mortar okay to use around edible fish? TIA

Paul D. Ulici there are liners, EPDM works, so does the DURASKRIM stuff. HOWEVER, the big problem with this bigger size tank you're thinking of, is the fact that any liner at that size is going to be very expensive. You can find long liners cheap, but wide ones are not cheap. 
Concrete is fine for a pond, and the fish would be most likely ok. The main problem is that concrete will keep raising your PH unless you coat it with something. Some people have used Thoroseal. 
Personally I've thought of creating a larger tank, and if you're going to make something that is lined (out of concrete) I think a good option is to make it narrower and longer, so you don't need a really wide liner. You can find 10 foot wide liners much cheaper than anything wider. 
I like those tanks someone posted not long ago that were made out of plastic sheeting or whatever that was. no need for a liner, and quite big.

Chris Magree i ordered my liner from webb's online...firestone  (20' x 20' liner, $250.)








  • Mike La Compte Thanks Paul for the info. I will look into it. Chris, what are the dimensions of your pond and liner?
  • Chris Magree i got the 20x20 liner ($250ish) my pond is odd shaped....basically 12x15x4
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  • Mike La Compte It looks amazing. And the price of the liners are alot cheaper then i thought on Webb's. Since yours is raised how deep did you dig to get the 4 foot depth?

Chris Magree it's just raised 8" (cement blocks, concrete, rebar) so i could have a shelf around the edges for plants ... so i still dug down at least 3' (probably more) but the sides got built up as i was digging down...so that helped...but if you do that make sure you compress the loose soil before you build on the edges....










  • Jim Joy Another issue is you need as much volume of media bed as water volume for fish minimum. Up to four times the volume of grow bed volume is better. If only 1:1, lightly populate the fish. Or, you will have to start doing water changes if the grow beds can't convert ammonia fast enough or plants can't consume nitrates fast enough. Have fun.
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  • Mike La Compte the side walls was going to be my next question but you beat me to it  Thanks Chris Magree
  • Chris Magree i'm not sure what angle the main pond is...the sides are pretty steep but not so much they'd ever cave in....i dug it by hand and made sure to carve out "steps" in one corner so i could get out without hurting myself....lol
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  • Mike La Compte So if i do the math right, for a 1800 gallon fish tank i would need 7200 volume of grow beds. This would equal about 6 beds that are 20x3x3. I may want to re evaluate the fish pond size  Thanks Jim Joy
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Monday, November 17, 2014

Galt Painting





"The Exodus of John Galt"
by Neil Collins

23" x 24"
Oil on Masonite

Completed on November 16, 2014





Sunday, September 14, 2014

Khan Acamemy Classes



I am currently taking classes on the website Khan Academy.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2014

Are We Winning the War Against Each Other?

I agree about the problem with Natural News and of course pseudo-science is a big problem. There's got to be a way to discuss, refute things like this without attacking individual people, right?  I have seen so much hatred going back and forth between people lately about this stuff, it definitely seems anti-productive. Do we really want to create (or perpetuate) an environment of shaming people for being wrong? Attacking people rather than ideas, drawing battle lines,  seems the least likely way to move society forward (assuming that is the most important goal).




Here is a recent post on, of all places, the Terence Mckenna group page on Face book, on Feb 14, 2015. The tread proceeded to spiral into 100+comments of hatred coming from both "sides" of the issue, as it always seems to.








Here is my comment:

"It is pretty funny. I have never seen this issue talked about rationally, with out hate. The emotional immaturity of many people who claim to stand up for science is pretty depressing. Science is something that I am actually very passionate about. The only thing you are accomplishing by calling people idiots is to turn them even further from science. You might think that you are sticking up for science, but you are only making it look invalid by being so petty. If something is true, it does not need you, the novice foot-soldier, to protect it. 

This is the behavior of extremist religions, who, standing on shaky ground, violently, defensively protecting their mythology. This is because their beliefs are incredibly weak and vulnerable, thus needing constant protection from anyone who might question. Science is not like that. It is not weak and it is not a mythology, therefore, it does not need you to protect it with infantile behavior.

You do more harm to science than good by acting like a child. Have scientists asked for your help in defending their work? I doubt they would have anything to do with a person who advocates fascist dictators rounding up the scientifically skeptical or illiterate into camps. Science itself was actually a rebellion from the dogma and witch hunt, Seth. 


When I see behavior like this I begin to think that someone has been planted into the group in order to distract and sow conflict, possibly to further separate people from any trust in the scientific community. The recent Snowden Leaks show that agents have been doing exactly this kind of thing on social media sites since at least 2008. It is a very effective tactic to support the status quo; encourage people in a community to fight against themselves, bring the level of anger and hatred up as high as possible. People will forever fight amongst themselves rather than exchange meaningful information and engage in critical thought on topics which matter. This is also similar to the purpose of "hate week", to borrow from Orwell' playbook." -NAC